gsherry1 wrote:Now that we have these Premium Content advertisements, maybe we can start a countdown of active datastage users from
Free Content Follows:
10000 to 0.
This is free (and spam-free):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/datastage_users/
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Sure, there are costs. I can appreciate costs. I appreciate the content on the site.
I guess advertisers alone don't cover those costs, do they?
There is one website I subscribe to, which has nothing to do with technology, for which I am happy to pay $40 per year. I know that 9 months down the road the content will still be useful and interesting to me.
I may not be here at this company in 3 months. I'll bet you the next company I work for will not have shelled out $80,000 for DataStage. So that's why I'm not happy about being asked to pay $50-100 per year for this website.
I would pay something less than that. There is a happy medium in there.
Yahoo uses ads to pay for their costs. Which makes this forum free:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/datastage_users/
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That would be great if my employer reimbursed me, however I'm a consultant and that just ain't gonna happen. They don't reimburse me for books.
Again, I'd gladly pay $50 for a good book on DataStage. I can always pass it on to someone else if I don't need it anymore. Can't do that with a website.
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ArndW wrote:Greg - let's assume that your daily rate is $400 and that a normal work day is 8 hours; that means that the annual fee of $50 represent an hour's work (taxes don't figure, since the forum costs are deductable). That means that you feel that membership here will not save you more than hour of worktime over the course of a year?
I'm a DataStage newbie. I doubt I could land a DataStage gig at this point - I just don't know enough.
I WISH my rate was that good. My rate is not even close.
I've found this forum to be helpful, for sure. So is sqlservercentral.com, but they're not asking for me to open my wallet to pay for content that was previously free.
What about people who are unemployed and want to learn DataStage? How fair is it to them?
How about this site creating a book? Sell me a book, dammit! I'll buy it!
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rwierdsm wrote:Well, needless to say, I did pay.
I can't think of a better resource anywhere (other than Greg Sherry and Peter Paton who sit close to me :D) for DataStage help than Dsxchange. You'd probably gladly pay $50 for a good book on DS and, ultimately, this site provides at least as much utility as a good book on the subject.
I still think you premium content guys should be writing a DS book, however..... I'd pay another $50 for that!
Again, I'll buy a good book on DataStage, but I'm not ready to commit to the site. DSXchange is forever changed.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/datastage_users/
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kcbland wrote:Nothing has changed except 5 prolific posters in-depth answers will be partially (and arbitrarily) behind a button. There's nothing to prevent other experts from answering.
What's your beef? If premium posters are so important to answering questions, how is a different site that does not feature the premium posters change the situation? I don't think you are aware of the illogic of your arguments. You're saying the "hiding" of our answers make this site worthless, so you go start a site without benefit of our answers. I'm confused as to what you are attempting to do here.
I've stated my beef plenty of times, I'm sure you're all sick of it now. The "premium posters" are welcome to join the other forum.
I think if I was a "premium poster", I might be a little bit upset that a site that
was free had made a decision to sell
my bits of code.
I'm attempting to
offer an alternative over at dsusers.com.
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gateleys wrote:Dunno why gmorey is allowed to collect points and posts thru' his obstinate views. However, I do agree on some of the posts made by those members whose answer/question ratio is way above 1. It would be nice if DSXchange looked into arguments of these contributors. But beware of those members whose answers are always in the line of-
Why don't you search the forum? There are plenty of answers.
Most of us know that ..and do search the forum extensively.
I think he's onto something here.
Moderator, I confess. I committed a crime. I created a new forum. And I don't want to have to pay a yearly fee to this site.
Please punish me. Take away my points!
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